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Aug 8, Sheikh Ahmed Deedat held a firm belief in open and sincere interreligious dialogue "This is not good or bad - but worth reflecting on." Examining the relationship between violence and religious conversation, he stated. However, we have sent Tony's original questions to Ahmed Deedat, the famous Islamic scholar, who undoubtedly, answer him better than we were able to. Ahmed Hoosen Deedat (Gujarati: અહમદ હુસેન દીદત) (1 July – 8 August ) was a South African writer and public speaker of Indian descent. He was best known as a Muslim missionary, who held numerous of the guides, hosting tourists and giving introductions to Islam and its relationship with Christianity.
The life of Shaikh Ahmed Deedat Another of Deedat's childhood friends, IPCI board member Ebrahim Jadwat, explained that he "was constantly testing, rehearsing his ideas and speeches with us at every occasion". To further refine his thinking and arguments, Deedat immersed himself in studying and memorising the Bible, as well as the Quran. Deedat even called for Muslims to revisit their faith, and saw Christian challenges to Islam on the content of the Quran as a way of strengthening the religion to which he devoted his life.
Without these people we are still carrying on - chanting away, chanting away - without knowing what we are chanting. They are now waking us up. This was "very different from the past, and certainly more akin to Christian groups," said Tayob. Post Script - Charles Stratford - South Africa Indeed, Deedat's international acclaim indicates that he had a similar effect on the morale of Muslims worldwide. Stirring oratory or stirring controversy? But Deedat's candour and fiery debating style also stirred controversy.
In France, the sale and distribution of Deedat's writings were banned in for what was described as a violently anti-Western, anti-Semitic tone inciting racial hatred. And in Australia, where Deedat gave a tour shortly before his stroke, Franca Arena - a member of New South Wales' legislative council - gave a speech on racism, in which she claimed that during his tour, Deedat "indulged in Bible-bashing and incited racial hatred". Deedat's close relations with the family of Osama bin Laden also prompted media scrutiny.
The building housing the IPCI was originally named the Bin Laden Centre, after the family contributed a sizable donation for its construction. In the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, the name brought notoriety to the organisation. But Yousuf Deedat maintains that his father's mission was a peaceful one. He likens the elder Deedat to Mandela for his firm belief in open and sincere dialogue.
That's why today you have pockets of [radicalisation] like ISIL. None of their leaders want to have a discussion with other members of government or religion. And that is the legacy of [Ahmed] Deedat. I say, why does she suppose He's a gardener?
I'm telling you, because He's disguised as a gardener. Why is He disguised as a gardener? I say, because He's afraid of the Jews. Why is He afraid of the Jews? I say, because He didn't die. And He didn't conquer death. If He had died, and if He had conquered death, there's no need to be afraid anymore.
Because the resurrected body can't die twice. I say the Bible. What does it say? It says it is ordained unto all men, once to die, and after that, the judgment. You can't die twice. So, if He had conquered death, there would be no need to be afraid. He's afraid, because He didn't die, So she, supposing Him to be the gardener, says, "Sir, if you have taken Him hence, tell me where have you laid Him to rest? Imagine her carrying away a corpse of pounds, at least, not like me.
A muscular carpenter supposed to be a young man in the prime of His life, at least pounds. And another pounds' worth of medicines around Him, John, chapter 19, verse 9. That makes Him Can you imagine this frail Jewess carrying this bundle of a corpse over pounds, like a bundle of straw, like a super-woman in the American comics? And take Him where? Put Him under a bed - what does she want to do with Him? Does she want to pickle Him?
What does she want to do with a rotting body. So Jesus - the joke has gone too far - says, "Mary So, she wants to grab Him. We Eastern people do that. She wants to grab Him. So Jesus says, "Touch Me not," I say, why not?
Is He a bundle of electricity, a dynamo, that if she touches Him she will get electrocuted? Tell me, why not? Can't she see the man is standing there beside her? What does He mean by "I'm not gone up" when He is here? He said, "I am not yet ascended unto My Father.
He's saying, "I am not dead yet. How could she get to Him; who moved the stone? And the Christians are writing books upon books. One is Frank Morrison, a rationalist lawyer, He writes a book of pages and he gives six hypotheses, At the end of the pages, when you are finished, you still haven't got the answer. Who moved the stone? And they're writing books upon books: I can't understand why you can't see the very obvious.
Why don't you read your books: These gospels, you have it in black and white in your own mother tongue. This is an anomaly that you read this book in your own mother tongue. Every language group has got the book in their own language. And each and every one is made to understand the exact opposite of what he is reading.
Not just merely misunderstanding. I want you to prove me wrong. I'm only quoting word for word exactly as your witnesses have said it.
Preserved it for us in black and white. I'm not attributing motives to them. I'm not saying that they are dishonest witnesses. Please read this book of yours once more. Remove the blinders, and read it again. And tell me where I'm not understanding your language. You Englishmen, or you Afrikaners, you Zulu. You come back to me and if you feel that at the end of the talk. I am prepared to come. It's very simple - they're talking about 20 men required. It is so huge, it needed a superman from America to move it.
One and a half to two tons. I'm telling you, please read Mark and Matthew and he tells you that Joseph of Arimathea alone, put the stone into place. One man - alone. If one man can put it into place, why can't two persons remove it, I ask you? Now, all those happenings - you know that this was prophesied.
And all the stories about what happened afterward - I'm telling you that Jesus Christ had given you a clear cut indication of what was going to happen. And that's also preserved in black and white in your testimony in the Gospel of St.
Matthew, another of your witnesses, chapter The Jews come again to Jesus. You know, something supernatural like walking on the water, or flying in the air like a bird. Do something, man, then we will be convinced that You are a man of God, the Messiah we are waiting for.
So Jesus answers them. He says, "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign. But there shall be no sign given unto it, except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the belly of the earth. He has put all his eggs in one basket. He didn't say, "You know blind Bartimaeus, I healed him. You know that woman with issues who had been bleeding for years.
She touched Me and she was healed. You know, I fed five thou- sand people with a few pieces of fish and a few pieces of bread. You see that fig tree. I dried it up from its very roots. Well, go to the book of Jonah. I brought the book of Jonah for you - one page by God - it is only one page in the whole Bible. This is the book of Jonah. It won't take you two minutes to read it. It's hard to find the book because, in a thousand pages, to find one page is difficult.
But, you don't have to go there. If you went to Sunday school. I'm telling you that Jonah was sent to the Ninevites. You know, God Almighty told him, "Go to Nineveh," a city ofpeople. He was to warn them that they must repent in sack-cloth and ashes; they must humble themselves before the Lord. Jonah was despondent because these materialistic people -worldly people - "They will not listen to me.
They will make a mockery of what I have to tell them. That's what this one-page book tells you. He went to Joppa and was taken aboard a ship - he was going to Tarshish. You don't have to remember the names. On the way, there's a storm. And according to the superstitions of these people, anyone who runs away from his master's command, who fails to do his duty, creates a turmoil at sea.
So, they begin to question in the boat, who could be responsible for this storm. Jonah realizes that as a prophet of God, he is a soldier of God. And as a soldier of God, he has no right to do things presumptuously on his own.
So he says, "Look, I am the guilty party. God Almighty is after my blood. He wants to kill me, so in the process He's sinking the boat, and you innocent people will die. It will be better for you if you take me and you throw me overboard. Because God is really after my blood. Perhaps you want to commit suicide.
We won't help you to do that. We have a system of our own of discovering right from wrong," and that is what they call casting lots. Like heads or tails. So, according to the system of casting lots, Jonah was found to be the guilty man. And so they took him, and they threw him overboard. Now I'm going to ask you a question. When they threw him overboard.
Now, before you answer. I want you to bear in mind that Jonah had volunteered. He said, "Throw me. You agree with me? The man had volunteered. So when they threw him overboard, what does your common sense say? Was he dead or was he alive? Please, I want your help. You get no prize for that - it was too simple a question.
And - astonishingly the Jews say that he was alive, the Christians say he was alive and the Muslims say he was alive. How much nicer it would be if we would agree on every other thing. We all agree that he was alive when he was thrown into that raging sea. And the storm subsided.
Perhaps it was a coincidence. A fish comes and gobbles him. Thank you very much. From the fish's belly, according to the book of Jonah, he cries to God for help. Do dead men pray? Dead people, do they pray? So he was alive. Three days and three nights the fish takes him around the ocean. On the third day, walking on the seashore, I'm asking - dead or alive? What does Jesus say? He said, "For as Jonah was. How was Jonah - dead or alive? How was Jesus for three days and three nights in the tomb according to the Christian belief?
He was dead according to our belief. In other words, He's unlike Jonah. He says, I shall be like Jonah and you are telling me - there's one thousand two hundred million Christians of the world - that He was unlike Jonah. He said, I will be like Jonah, you say He was unlike Jonah. I am told in the Qur'an that Jesus was the Messiah. He was one of the mightiest messengers of God - I accept.
I believe in His miraculous birth. I believe that He gave life to the dead by God's permission. And He healed those born blind and the leper by God's permission. But if I was a Jew, according to the sign that He has given, He failed. Jonah is alive - Jesus is dead. They are not alike. I don't know in what language you can make them alike - that they are like one another. So the clever man. Your Bible, I don't understand.
Why don't I understand the Bible? He says, "You see Mr. Deedat, Jesus Christ is emphasizing the time factor. For Jonah was three days and three nights.
He uses the word "three" four times. In other words, He's emphasizing the time factor - not whether He was dead or alive. I'm tellinq you that there is nothing miraculous in a time factor, Whether the man was dead for three minutes or three hours or three weeks, that's not a miracle.
The miracle, if there is one at all, is that you expect a man to be dead and he's not dead. When Jonah was thrown into the sea, we expect him to die.
He didn't die, so it's a miracle. A fish comes and gobbles him - he ought to die. Three days and three nights of suffocation and heat in the whale's belly, He ought to die: It's a miracle, it's a miracle because you expect a man to die and he didn't die. When you expect a man to die, and if he dies, what's so miraculous about that? I ask you, what's miraculous about that? If a gunman took a gun and fired six shots into the heart of a man and he dies, is that a miracle?
But if he laughs it off. So we say it's a miracle. The miracle is when we expect a man to die and he doesn't die. When the man who is expected to die, dies, it's no miracle. We expect Jesus also to die. For what He had been through, if He died, there is no miracle. If He didn't die, it's a miracle - can't you see? So He says, "No, no. It is the time factor. He says, "Of course, He fulfilled that.
Look, it's very easy to make statements. HOW did He fulfill it? When was He crucified, I ask you? The whole Christian world says on Good Friday. I am asking, what makes Good Friday good? So the Christian says, "Christ died for our sins, That makes it good.
I say, when was He crucified - morning or afternoon? So the Christian says in the afternoon. How long was He on the cross? Some say three hours, some say six hours. I say, I am not going to argue with you.
Whatever you say, I accept. You know, when we read the Scriptures, they tell us that when they wanted to crucify Jesus, they were in a hurry. And they were in such a hurry that Josh tells us in his book, The Resurrection Factor, that within some 12 hours, there were six separate trials. Six trials He went through. These things only happen in films.
These sort of things - six trials in 12 hours from midnight to the next morning and on, only take place on films. But I believe whatever you tell me. Whatever you tell me, I accept. So the Jews were in a hurry to put Him up on the cross. Do you know why? Because of the general public. Jesus was a Jew. The general public loved Him. The man had healed the blind and the lepers and the sick and had raised the dead. He had fed so many thousands of people with bread and fish.
He was a hero, and if they discovered - the general public - that their hero's life was in danger, there would have been a riot. So, they had a midnight trial. Early in the morning they took Him to Pilate. Pilate says, "He is not my kettle of fish - take Him to Herod. And hurry, hurry, hurry. As if they had nothing else to do, but I believe what you tell me. They succeeded in putting Him up on the cross, according to your witnesses.
According to your witnesses. But as much as they were in a hurry to put Him up, they were in a hurry to bring Him down. Because at sunset on Friday, at six o'clock, the Sabbath starts. You see, the Jews count the days, night and day, night and day. We Muslims count our days, night and day, night and day. Not day and night. We count night and day. Six o'clock, our day begins in the evening. So, before sunset, the body must come down because they were told in the book of Deuteronomy that they must see to it that nobody is hanging on the tree on the Sabbath day.
And they put Him into the sepulchre. Not a grave - a sepulchre. A big, roomy chamber above ground. So it's already evening. From three o'clock in the afternoon, for whatever you do, the details are given in Josh's book. Burial baths normally take more than an hour. You read the details about how the Jew give a burial bath to the dead. That takes more than an hour itself. But let's say they succeeded in doing all these things in a hurry, hurry.
You know they were in a hurry. Six trials in 12 hours. Now they put Him into the sepulchre. By the time they put Him in, it's already evening. So watch - watch my fingers. Friday night He's supposed to be in the grave. Saturday day, He still is supposed to be in the grave. Saturday night, He still is supposed to be in the grave. But Sunday morning, the first day of the week, when Mary Magdalene goes to the tomb, the tomb was empty.
That's what your witnesses say. I am asking - how many days and how many nights? You remember, I said, supposed, supposed, supposed Because the Bible doesn't say actually when He came out.
He could have come out Friday night. The Bible doesn't say how He came. So, Friday night, Saturday day, Saturday night. I'm asking, how many days and how many nights? Please, if you can see, if your eyes are not defective, tell me how many? How many do you see? Two nights and a day. Is it the same as He said, for as Jonah was three days and three nights, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights? Please tell me now it means the same thing.
I want to know what you are reading. I want to know what you are reading in your own book! The man is telling you that what is going to happen will be like Jonah. And the sign of Jonah is a miracle.
And the only miracle you can attribute to this man, Jonah, is that we expected him to die and he didn't die. Jesus - we expect Him also to die. If He died, it is not a sign. If He didn't die, it is a sign. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
Can you see, the people have been programmed. We all get programmed from childhood. I told them, "You are brainwashed. He is the almighty. You know, great guy. He can take it. So I said, "You people are brainwashed. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, I hope, by the time this meeting is over, you will be re-programmed into reading the book as it is, and not as you are made to understand. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Josh McDowell Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon.
Deedat, and the wonderful people of this city, and this country of South Africa, I am thankful for the opportunity to be a part of this symposium on Islam and Christianity's view of the crucifixion and the resurrection. In preparation for this, I didn't realize that I would be dealing with so many different theories on the crucifixion from the Islamic viewpoint. I found out, first of all, that the majority of the Muslims throughout the world hold to the substitutionary theory.
That in Surah number 4, in the Qur'an, a substitute, another person, was placed in Christ's position on the cross that Jesus was removed and taken to heaven. In other words, it was someone else.
But then, I found such a diverse opinion among Muslims. Some Muslim writers say that it was a disciple of Jesus who was placed on the cross in His stead. Another Muslim writer, Tabari, quoting Ibn Ishaq, said it was a man by the name of Sargus, or Sergius, who was placed on the cross. Another Muslim writer by the name of Baidawi, said it was a Jew named Titanus who was placed on the cross.
And still another Muslim writer. Wahb ibn Munabbah, said it was a Rabbi of the Jews, Ashyu, who was placed on the cross. Then, others feeling that it might be a little unfair to put an innocent man there, say, well, it must be Judas Iscariot who was placed on the cross. Deedat might be able to correct me, but I do not believe there is any evidence whatsoever in the Qur'an for that.
There are in some of the sects. But I always wondered, why did God have to have a substitute? Why couldn't He have simply taken Jesus then? Others will say - and this is not what the majority of Muslims believe - that Jesus died a natural death some years after the crucifixion and the alleged resurrection. In other words, "Hazrat Isa," Jesus is dead!
This is a more recent development in Islam. And I'm always wary of recent developments. It was started mainly by a man by the name of Venturini, who said Jesus really didn't die on the cross - He just swooned or passed out, then was put into a tomb and resuscitated.
This is also the theme of the Ahmadiyas, a radical sect of Islam. One of their main doctrines, established by their founder and allegedly their prophet, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, it is a part of the doctrine of Qadianism.
Some will say to be crucified means to die. Therefore, Jesus wasn't crucified because He did not die on the cross.
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I'm not quite sure how they got that definition. What I need to do is this: The background for the points I'm going to make is that when I was in the University, I wanted to write a book against Christianity. I wanted to refute it intellectually. The last thing I wanted to do was become a Christian. But after two years of research and spending a lot of money and time, I discovered facts - not only facts that God has stated in His Holy Word, the Bible, but facts that are documented in sources in history.
Men and women, these are some of the facts that I found as I tried to refute Christianity and I couldn't.
Was Christ crucified?
The first fact I found is that Jesus was not afraid to die. In fact, He predicted His own death and resurrection. He said, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem. And they will deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to whip and to crucify Him.
And on the third day He will be raised up" paraphrased from Matthew In another place He began to teach them that He had discovered many things. And then He said He'd be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, He would be killed, and He added that after three days, He was to rise again Matthew In Matthew 17, Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him, and He will be raised again on the third day.
Now Jesus did not hide Himself. He is very clear about where He is. It says in John 18 that He went to the place where they usually found Him. He didn't want to hide from the authorities. He knew what was going to happen. In John 18, verse 4, it says, "Jesus therefore. And He was ready for it. In Matthew Jesus says, "Don't you understand, I could call on twelve legions of angels to protect Me? No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative.
The Holy Bible I Corinthians 5: The third fact that I learned is that the Jews were not guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I was very surprised. Deedat, that you needed to be the defender of the Jews. There are Muslims and Christians that have gotten that distorted all through history. Jesus said in Matthew He said, "I have the power to lay it down, I have the power to take it up.
Deedat, I feel that both you and I are responsible, because the Bible says,"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3: It was our sins that drove Jesus Christ to the cross.
The fourth fact that I learned is that the Christians are called to an intelligent. Ahmed Deedat, that over one thousand million Christians today blindly accept that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ.
I'm a little confused, because really, Mr. Deedat, you read from the Qur'an and you said you accept it, you don't need facts, you don't need any evidence.
You simply accept it and then you're saying that Christians, because they accept what God, Yahweh, has revealed through the Holy Bible, that Jesus is the Christ, that because we accept that, we do it blindly.
I'm amazed, because in the Muslim book, the Qur'an, it states that one of the titles given to Jesus is "al-Masih. So, why are we accused of being blind in accepting Jesus as the Christ? In my country, one of the greatest legal minds that ever lived - the man who made the university of Harvard famous - was Dr. He became a Christian through trying to refute Jesus Christ as the Eternal Word and the resurrection.
Finally, after trying to do it, he came to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the best established events of history, according to the laws of legal evidence administered in the courts of justice. Lewis, the literary genius of our age, was the professor of medieval and renaissance literature at Oxford. He was a giant in his field. No one could question his intellectual capabilities.
He became a believer in Jesus Christ as his Savior and Lord when he tried to refute the reliability of the New Testament and he couldn't. And he said, "I was one of the most reluctant converts, but I was brought to Jesus Christ because of my mind. He is an historian and the author of the famous three-volume series, the History of Rome.
He said, "I know of no one fact in the history of mankind which is proved by better and fuller evidence than the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Werner von Braun, the German scientist - the man who immigrated to my country - was one of the creators of the American Space Program. He said he never really became a scientist until he came to know Jesus Christ personally as Savior and God.
The fifth fact that I discovered was the historical accuracy of the Christian Bible. The Christian New Testament is exceptional in its reliability and trustworthiness and survival down through history.
It is unrivaled in manuscript authority.
Response by Ahmed Deedat
A manuscript is a hand-written copy over against a printed copy. Men and women, of the Christian New Testament alone, there are more than 24, manuscripts. Not versions of the Bible, Mr. Men and women, the number two book in all of history in manuscript authority and literature, is Homer's Iliad, with The number two book in the whole of history in manuscript authority.
Then, Sir Frederick Kenyon was a man who was second to no one in the ability and the training to make authoritative statements about manuscripts of literature in history. The former curator and director of the British Museum, he said, "The last foundation for any doubt that the Scriptures have come down to us as they were written now has been removed.
Both the authenticity and the general integrity of the books of the New Testament may now be regarded as finally established. Please, men and women, we need to go back through history and see how they did it then. First of all, the manuscripts were so well-accepted as being authoritative, with everyone knowing who wrote them, they did not need names placed on them. You might say it was the writers' way of not distracting from the purpose of making Jesus Christ the central issue.
Also, the work of these authors, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, went through the apostolic age. They went through the test of the apostolic period of the first century to confirm their accuracy, authenticity and reliability. Other people, through limited reading and absence of any type of research, say that the documents of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are hearsay because the writers were not eyewitnesses of the events surrounding the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The people who say that will often appeal to Mark They say that within two minutes they could dismiss the argument because Jesus' followers all left Him and fled. So therefore, everything was hearsay. For example, read just the next four verses. And he was sitting there with the officer. With the officers, and warming himself. In Mark 14, it says, "And Peter was below, in the courtyard.
Peter was right there. Then we go to John 18, verse Now that disciple was known to the high priest and entered with Jesus into the court of the high priest.
About being permissible in a court of law. In most legal situations, you have what can be referred to as an ancient document rule. Now, you have to go to law to substantiate these things. He said that the application of the ancient document rule to the documents of the New Testament especially the four gospels - this is a head of a law school speaking - "Applied to the gospel records, and reinforced by responsible lower textual criticism, this rule would establish competency in any court of law.
It is found in I Corinthians, the epistle by the apostle Paul, chapter 15, and was written in A. I have yet to find a reputable scholar who would deny that. Paul says now it's 20 years earlier, right after his conversion - he had met with the leaders. He had met with James, the brother of Jesus in Jerusalemthat the tradition was passed on to him that there were over eyewitnesses of the resurrection.
If you take that into a court of law, give each eyewitness just six minutes, that would make 3, minutes of eyewitness testimony, or 50 hours of eyewitness testimony.
However, that's not the key point here. That was the tradition handed down to him, what he had examined personally. But Paul says then, the majority of them are still alive right now. Not when the tradition was passed down, but right now. Men and women, Paul was saying, "If you don't believe me, ask them. If they would have dared to depart from the truth of what was said, there were hostile witnesses to correct them immediately.
In a court of law that is referred to as the principle of cross-examination. They did not dare to depart from the truth. Also, apart from the Bible, you have several extra biblical secular sources.
One, a man by the name of Polycarp, was a disciple of the apostle John. He writes in his works. Because even then, they could not say, Jesus didn't say that. Jesus didn't do that then So, they had to start with what He said, and develop their own heresy. The conclusion of many scholars is a tremendous confidence in the Christian Bible.
Millar Burrows was on the staff of Yale University, one of the most prestigious universities in my country. He said, "There is an increase of confidence in the accurate transmission of the text of the New Testament itself. Howard Vox, a researcher and archaeologist, said, "From the standpoint of literary evidence, the only logical conclusion is in the case where the reliability of the New Testament is infinitely stronger than any other record of antiquity.
What does the historical, reliable record show? It is clear, not only from the Christian's biblical historical record, but also from secular sources, which are documented in the back of my book, Evidence That Demands a Verdict, that He not only predicted His death by crucifixion, but that He was actually crucified.
Jesus said that He would be whipped and delivered over to be crucified. There they crucified Him, and with Him two other men, one on either side, and Jesus in between. First of all, it points out that Jesus was whipped by the Romans. What did that mean? The Romans would strip a person down to the waist and would tie him in the courtyard.
Then they would take a whip that had a handle about a foot and a half long. At the end of the handle, it had four leather thongs with heavy, jagged bones or balls of lead with jagged edges, wound into the end of the straps. A minimum of five. They would be different lengths. The Romans would bring the whip down over the back of the individual and all the balls of lead or bone would hit the body at the same time. The Jews would only permit 40 lashes. So they never did more than 39 so they wouldn't break the law if they miscounted.
The Romans could do as many as they wanted. So, when the Romans whipped a Jew, they did 41 or more out of spite to the Jews. And so he had probably at least 41, if not more, lashes. There are several medical authorities that have done research on crucifixion. One is a Dr. Barbet, in France, and another is Dr. Truman Davis, in the state of Arizona in my country.
He is a medical doctor who has done meticulous study of the crucifixion from a medical perspective. Here he gives the effect of the Roman flogging: At first, the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continue, they cut deeper into the subcutalleous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles.
The small balls of lead first produce large, deep bruises, which the others cut wide open. Finally, the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons, and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue.
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- Remembering the life of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat
Many people would die just from the whipping. After the whipping they took Jesus out to the execution area and drove spikes into His wrists and His feet. It says that late that Friday afternoon they broke the legs of the two thieves hanging with Jesus, but they did not break His legs.christian get shocked after answer from ahmed deedat
Now, why did they break someone's legs? When you are prostrate on the cross, or hanging there, they bent the legs up underneath and drove the spike through here. When you died by crucifixion, often what would happen is you would die from your own air.
The pectoral muscles would be affected and you could not let your air out. You could take it in, but could not let it out. And so, you'd hang there and suffocate, you would push up on your legs to let the air out, and then come down to take it in. When they wanted to bring about the death immediately, they broke their legs and they couldn't push up, and they would die. Jesus' legs were not broken.
Men and women, if they had broken His legs, He would not have been our Messiah. His bones would not be broken. Men and women, He was fulfilling what God, Yahweh, had already revealed would take place. The next fact that I discovered was that Christ was dead. That's the seventh fact that I discovered, Men and women, in John He said, "I lay My life down. Deedat, in his booklet, has referred to it as 'Evidence That Jesus Was Not Dead' you have reference to the blood and water.
He was on the cross and they'd already acknowledged Him being dead, but they thought they'd give a parting shot, as you would say, They took a spear, and thrust it into His side. Eyewitness accounts said blood and water came out separated, Mr.
Deedat, in his book, appealed to this phenomenon as evidence that Christ was still alive, He supports this in his writing, by an appeal to an article in the Thinkers Digestby an anesthesiologist. I was able to acquire medical research by various people in this area. I have time to share just two of the findings. First, from a scholastic viewpoint: It is considered by many in the medical field to be not only out of date, but behind the medical times.
Second, from a medical viewpoint: A wound of the type inflicted on Jesus, if the person were still alive, would not bleed out the wound opening, but bleed into the chest cavity, causing an internal hemorrhage. At the aperture of the wound, the blood would be barely oozing from the opening, For a spear to form a perfect channel that would allow the blood and serum to flow out the spear wound is next to impossible.
The massive internal damage done to a person under crucifixion, and then being speared in the heart area, would cause death almost immediately, not even including what happens with the details of a Jew's burial.
At the State of Massachusetts General Hospital, over a period of years, they did research on people who died of a ruptured heart. Normally, the heart had 20 cc's of pericardial fluid. When a person dies of a ruptured heart, there is more than cc's of pericardial fluid, And it would come out in the form of a fluid and clotted blood. Perhaps this is what was viewed at that time.
The Jewish burial would have been a final death blow. Deedat says in his book, page 9, in "What Was the Sign of Jonah"? Now, going through whipping, where the back is almost laid open, having your arms and feet pierced, being put on a cross, having a spear thrust in your side, being taken down and then plastered with some pounds of spices of cement consistency - it would call for a greater miracle than the resurrection to live through that, Then, the severe discipline of the Romans.
Pilate was a little amazed, and I would have been too, that Christ had already been dead, or that they had come and asked for the body, So, he called a centurion in. And he said, "I want you to go and confirm to me that Jesus is dead. He was not about ready to leave his wife a widow. The centurion would always check with four different executioners. That was Roman law. There had to be four executioners.
They did that so in case one man was a little lax, the other one would catch him in it, And you would never have all four lax in signing the death warrant.
Response by Ahmed Deedat
Discipline was severe with the Romans. For example, when the angel let Peter out of jail in Acts 12 in the New Testament, Herod called in the guard and executed them all - just for letting one man out of jail.
In Acts 16 in the Christian New Testament, the doors had been opened up in the jail for Paul and Silas, their chains had been loosened, and the moment the guard saw they were freed, he pulled out his own sword to execute himself. And Paul said, "Wait a minute! Then Christ was dead. Flavius Josephus, the Jewish historian, records that when he went into Jerusalem in A. They had just been put up there. They had been whipped and everything. He went to the commander of the guard and he said, "Please release them.
That's why he had influence as a Jew. And you know, immediately, the Roman guard captain took the three men down from the cross and still, men and women, two of the three died. They'd just been put up there and they were removed quickly. Crucifixion was that cruel.